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you were a member of the bowles simpson deficit commission and voted for the final report. that proposed almost $3 trillion in spending cuts. president obama's last offer the one that the republicans rejected was less than $1 trillion in spending cuts. we checked. that would be less than 2% of the $44 trillion the government will spend over the next decade. again, is that the best democrats can do? 2% of all of the spending over the next decade? >> you know, this conversation to me is exactly what is wrong in washington. i mean just listen to the conversation you have is just had. it is he said, she said, blame the other guy. look, i tried to be constructive here and lay out an actual plan to get us nearly $4 trillion by taking the offers that are on the table. speaker boehner and the president were so close and then speaker boehner went off on plan b. i never understood why. had no prospect of succeeding. it did not succeed even in his own caucus. now, the question. >> chris: but you are not answering my question. >> because i tell you something because we only have nine d
you were a member of the bowles simpson deficit commission and voted for the final report. that proposed almost $3 trillion in spending cuts. president obama's last offer the one that the republicans rejected was less than $1 trillion in spending cuts. we checked. that would be less than 2% of the $44 trillion the government will spend over the next decade. again, is that the best democrats can do? 2% of all of the spending over the next decade? >> you know, this conversation to me is...
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i don't believe republicans care about the deficit as the deficit. none of their behavior indicates that. and i mean, they're behavior during tr go. works bush years and the behavior i just indicated where they revoked $500 billion in cuts. it's fine to say it's not the deficit. they care about things like reducing made care over the ling longrun or they don't like the fact the entitlement state is making people -- what are the actual principles at play here in these negotiations? i am confused. >> i think that republicans do care about the denver sit. i think they care about spending more than the deficit. >> well put, i agree. >> and i suspect that if you were to poll the republican caucus on the hill, there is a overwhelming majority of people that say -- the country is lived beyond its means and somehow, somewhere, we have to get it under control. the way to do that, obviously, is where the money is being spend which is entitlement programs. as a political matter nobody wants to talk about cuts. i agree with you. we talk about bending the curve.
i don't believe republicans care about the deficit as the deficit. none of their behavior indicates that. and i mean, they're behavior during tr go. works bush years and the behavior i just indicated where they revoked $500 billion in cuts. it's fine to say it's not the deficit. they care about things like reducing made care over the ling longrun or they don't like the fact the entitlement state is making people -- what are the actual principles at play here in these negotiations? i am...
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>> he failed miserably when it came to deficits. and, i'm sorry, nobody can judge what's going to happen in the middle east for another five, ten years. you have no idea how that's going to shake out. i was surprised he didn't say that he would have not gone to war if he'd known saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but that debate again continues. >> and his influence lingers as a result of those wars and the fact that no one, none of us were asked to pay for them. >> no doubt. >> we've got number 1 straight ahead. i'm excited. will somebody call casey kasem and tell him to phone home? we're counting down the hits, and we're coming to number 1. >> coming up, america's choice for the number 1 most influential american of the 21s century. and how did we do in our predictions? this is going to get ugly. >> yeah. no, doubt about it. willie also has a long-distance dedication that's going to really move you. we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for sp
>> he failed miserably when it came to deficits. and, i'm sorry, nobody can judge what's going to happen in the middle east for another five, ten years. you have no idea how that's going to shake out. i was surprised he didn't say that he would have not gone to war if he'd known saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but that debate again continues. >> and his influence lingers as a result of those wars and the fact that no one, none of us were asked to pay for them. >> no...
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whatever they do will probably add to the deficit. i think you have 50/50 of getting something done before the end of the year, but it won't be substantive. it will kick the major problems over until the next congress. >> you're saying they're kicking the can. >> yep. >> alex, i'm the eternal optimist, but i think the odds have dropped to 40%. >> 40%. okay. gentlemen, thank you very much. good to talk with you both. happy holidays. see you on the other side of the holidays. >> we've been asking all of you on twitter today how worried are you about the country going over the fiscal cliff. here are some tweets. not at all. thanks to the aoc, administrative office of the courts, california went over it last year. we remain broken and in a bloody heap in the sand. terry bradbury says i'm extremely worrieworried. the people are being held hostage over political egos who refuse to compromise. and it's time for the gop to realize the far-reaching effects of the bush years, going over the fiscal cliff is mild in comparison. and i'm not worrie
whatever they do will probably add to the deficit. i think you have 50/50 of getting something done before the end of the year, but it won't be substantive. it will kick the major problems over until the next congress. >> you're saying they're kicking the can. >> yep. >> alex, i'm the eternal optimist, but i think the odds have dropped to 40%. >> 40%. okay. gentlemen, thank you very much. good to talk with you both. happy holidays. see you on the other side of the...
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we have a $1 trillion annual budget deficit forecast for the next year. that means that president obama's solution would address 8% of the problem. it's by focusing on the 8% and giving the public the impression that that's in fact what would fix the problem that all these parties have done a disservice. they need to focus on spending, not on taxes. if they focus primarily on spending, i bet you would see the tax situation resolve itself. >> david, let's take a sharp turn and talk about the man who came very close to becoming the next president. the "boston globe" has an in-depth look at what might have gone wrong during romney's campaign. romney's eldest song tag along with ann romney who had to we are said him to run. he was quoted as saying he wanted to be president less than anyone i know in my life h.no desire to run. if he could have found somebody else to take his place he would have been ecstatic to step aside. what do you make of this? >> my eyes opened on that story because we know that mitt romney has run twice for the presidency. there were se
we have a $1 trillion annual budget deficit forecast for the next year. that means that president obama's solution would address 8% of the problem. it's by focusing on the 8% and giving the public the impression that that's in fact what would fix the problem that all these parties have done a disservice. they need to focus on spending, not on taxes. if they focus primarily on spending, i bet you would see the tax situation resolve itself. >> david, let's take a sharp turn and talk about...
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. >> for the last two weeks i've been working with leaders of both parties on a proposal to get our deficit under control. avoid tax hikes on the middle class, and to make sure we can spur jobs and economic growth. >> how we get there, god only knows. >> will an agreement bring positive change to the economy? former economic advisor to president reagan, art laffer is here. >> how is everything going? >> going we will on this end. not washington but on this end. there's recap for a second, if you will. the laffer curve that you game famous for. that's your theory on tax rates and revenue and it shows, the laffer curve, if you have a tax rate of zero obviously you correct zero revenue to run the government. if you have a tax rate, your theory holds of 100%, you also probably collect zero in revenue because you've disincentivized people to get to work. somewhere in your curve is the sweet spot of the tax rate that would allow for the most revenue. what is that sweet spot? >> i don't know where it is exactly, obviously. but i know the laffer curve, the operation in the upper income groups is mu
. >> for the last two weeks i've been working with leaders of both parties on a proposal to get our deficit under control. avoid tax hikes on the middle class, and to make sure we can spur jobs and economic growth. >> how we get there, god only knows. >> will an agreement bring positive change to the economy? former economic advisor to president reagan, art laffer is here. >> how is everything going? >> going we will on this end. not washington but on this end....